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THE POLICE AND CITY HALL

Everyone on the Atlanta City Council is up for reelection. Some of them should be voted out.


By Stephanie Ramage

Last week, the Atlanta City Council grilled Atlanta Police Department Sgt. Scott Kreher for nearly two hours. Near the end, he brought up the plight of five former police officers who were all seriously injured in the line of duty, mostly by bullets from criminals’ guns—four of them paralyzed, one of them brain-damaged—and how the city has withheld medical care from them (as detailed by The Sunday Paper on May 17), and he lost his temper.

 “And this latest fiasco with the disabled officers,” Kreher told the council, shaking his head, “these five officers were injured in the line of duty … I want to beat her [Mayor Franklin] in the head with a baseball bat sometimes when I think about it...I cannot believe Mayor Franklin’s administration would allow this to happen. This administration should be ashamed of itself.”

Prior to that remark, Kreher, who is president of the local chapter of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, had given a presentation succinctly enumerating the problems with City Hall’s treatment of the police department and outlining some possible solutions.

And yet, when the City Council members, all of whom are up for reelection, were given time to ask questions, the vast majority chose to expend their breath on political grandstanding, as if they had not heard a single word Kreher said.

Councilman C.T. Martin conducted himself in a particularly shameful way. Faced with more than 75 police union members of various races and backgrounds, Martin chose to focus on Kreher, who is white, and the two other union officers, also white, beside him at the presentation table. Martin wanted to know where all the black officers were. Kreher explained that the two on the union leadership team were on duty, so they couldn’t be there. Kreher’s predecessor, a black man named Mark Lawson, who supports Kreher, sighed wearily behind me.

“What he is saying is just a distraction from the real issues,” Lawson said of Martin’s comments.

The real issues are having enough police officers to deter crime in Atlanta and paying them the money they are due.

The officers filed out of the room in protest of Martin’s comments. Someone loudly remarked that should the council members need a police officer, they shouldn’t waste their time calling 911. That gave Councilwoman Joyce Sheperd something on which to waste 10 minutes.

Oh, the drama, the hand-wringing, the air of injured indignation wafting off these council members who behave as if they are the ladies’ auxiliary, chatting over tea about their gout and carbuncles; the citizens, with their pesky complaints of break-ins and assaults, be damned. There is a distant past of fabled glory to discuss instead—just ask Martin, who discusses it often as he saunters about the Council Chamber, apparently unaware that he is like nothing so much as the old white Southern racists whose oppression he claims to have struggled against: self-aggrandizing, self-involved, arrogant and obsessed with days long passed.

(Martin, incidentally, who represents District 10 in the city’s southwestern corner, is running unopposed for reelection.)

Did Martin and the others hear what Kreher had to say, other than the baseball bat remark? When Mayor Franklin came into office, she promised the police officers that she would raise their salaries by 40 percent and that she would hire 2,000 officers by 2007.

“Instead, our officers have seen a loss of about 40 percent in their income thanks to the loss of step pay and the increase in insurance costs,” Kreher said. “Now, the city needs $56 million” to balance its budget, so the mayor has proposed a 3 millage-point tax, Kreher noted, but “[COO Greg] Giornelli told us that the furloughs of the police would save $6 million. That’s not fair. It’s not right to say you’re raising taxes to end the furloughs, and the public deserves to know the truth.”

He pointed out that the mayor cut the officers’ pay by 10 percent via furloughs in December 2008, just one month after the city settled a $7.5 million lawsuit over unpaid overtime with the IBPO. In essence, the Franklin administration was getting its money back, even if it meant endangering the citizens.

“There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t have to pull two or three cars from the beats,” Kreher told the council, “because I just don’t have the officers. So, when you have someone calling because their house is broken into, it takes longer to respond. I don’t have to tell you what the response time looks like. Let’s fill every single beat car before we fill mounted patrols and foot patrols. I am tired of my beat officers going out on the streets without enough protection. You want neighborhood policing, but we have so few officers that they are too busy going from call to call to call to get to know the neighborhoods.”

Councilwoman Felicia Moore said officers could help themselves and the city budget by writing more traffic tickets. Martin agreed. 

The idea that the police must somehow support themselves and the city by writing traffic tickets was bandied about by the council as though such a thing is ethical. It is not. Where I come from, cities that rely on traffic tickets to support themselves are called speed traps. Cities that use their police to squeeze the citizens for money are known throughout the world as stinking hellholes of corruption. Mogadishu and Moscow come to mind. SP

To run for City Council, a citizen must pay a qualifying fee of $1,184. The qualifying period is Aug. 31 through Sept. 4. For more information, call the Clerk of Council at 404-330-6033.

How about the part when ct martin started saying that he KNOWS that black officers and white officers don't get along with each other?! He was insinuating that we are racist cops! Who does this guy think he is?? He speaks like he knows us. Its funny the AJC isn't talking about those comments. hmm...

Between the disabled officers struggle, Sgt Kreher being suspended, furloughs, etc...morale is at the lowest I can imagine that it could possibly go. Its literally unbelievable.

will
Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 6:31 AM


The ONLY color we are speaking of is BLUE.

andrew
Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM


Sgt. Kreher turned the volume up.

While all you guys would probably be found certifiable for wanting to work in this city I don't think now is the time to hang your heads low.

Be proud that Sgt. Kreher apologized the moment it was prudent. That time has come and gone for the Mayor who cannot deny that she is aware of the situation be it immediately solvable or not.

I'd like to apologize that we have discouraged the good behavior and turned a blind eye to the really, really bad.

Lets hope we find some Adults, that are tuned into this century, in this next election.

Turner
Monday, May 25, 2009 at 1:11 AM


Turner, look at the last two sentences of Stephanie's piece above. You should sign up.

Andre
Monday, May 25, 2009 at 8:08 PM


How do you know I haven't Andre?

Turner
Monday, May 25, 2009 at 11:46 PM


I don't. That's why I suggested it. Good luck if you decide to put in the time and effort for public service. You may find its all criticism and no gratitude.

Andre
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM


Shirley didn't get any criticism. I wouldn't even say what she is getting now is criticism but if she ignores the state of affairs for too much longer she is going to loose whatever her actual image is in the world.

I would agree the majority thinks she is a good Mayor, and for you that might be enough to define her as one. Had the bottom not fallen out of Atlanta I might have not given it any more thought. My property taxes were lower, that's gone, the city was safer, that's gone and as we both agree the nightlife is gone.

So then you start looking under the hood and check out the Financials and see what happened. Our expenses rose with the population growth but Revenues actually decreased steadily over ALL 8 years at the same pace.

That suggests that we didn't invest our money into things that brought us a return. We don't have an expense problem we have a serious revenue problem that the Mayor can't fix overnight but she can at least acknowledge it. So could Mr. Glass be he didn't point that out in his presentation. We looked at Public Safety costs which have nothing to do with the real problem. Their costs are known and expected and I'd be pretty pissed if I were them because they are being asked to do way more with a lot less and they are being made out to be some greedy hog of the cities resources.

Somebody has been hogging our resources and it isn't Public Safety.

I have looked at the surrounding counties and all have grown revenues at the same rate expenses grew. Look at Cobb county and Marietta (you won't but) their bond ratings are fine and their budgets are balanced. Why doesn't our income statement follow the same trend as theirs if the "Economy" was the culprit.

I need better answers from the Mayor than I am getting. Eventually the books are going to be looked at. I hope she's as clean as you think she is. Somehow I doubt that.

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM


I'm not sure where you're getting your revenue numbers from. Can you explain? The inflation adjusted revenue numbers I've seen, go up and down over the last seven years.

I know you probably think I'm being a jerk by suggesting you run for something, but I'm being serious. You obviously have the intellect and passion for the job. You should consider.

Who is your council person?

Andre
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM


Anne Fauver - Zone 6

She is considering retirement. I think she is sharp but certainly looks tired. However if she is retiring I'd consider running but I'd like to continue the fight from this side of the fence for now.

Inflation adjusted Revenues trend flat for the duration of the term. You can say that there was a dip in 2004 but that is matched by an equal peak of 524 and then the line comes back below the starting point of 501 in 2002.

Our expected revenues for this year are at 485 million which is the only number I would consider significantly impacted by the current economy.

If the City's population grew by 10% and we didn't realize at the very least a matching property tax revenue increase then that is a mismanagement of funds and tax rates. We should never have dropped into the red.

That started happening in 2005, Shirley didn't initiate the Furloughs until 2009. That was way too late to react to what our financials were telling us. It is exponentially worse because as soon as we drop below even our bond rating degrades and the cost of borrowing the money needed to run the City goes way up. ie: our credit card is crap compared to surrounding areas.

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM


Sorry the above should say expected revenues for 2010 are 285 and the Furloughs started in 2008 not 2009.

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM


The City's budget was hit hard last year due to the dramatic decline in permitting and construction fees. The real estate bubble began to burst in 2007, which caused this decline. I would argue the economy affected the FY 2008 budget as well.

As far as this admin dealing with the budget issues, I would point to a recent study done by a Phila. think tank. The study showed that Atlanta is fairing better than most other major cities in dealing with budget deficits.

The bond ratings of the sewer bonds are down. I’m not aware of the general fund bonds being in jeopardy. However, if it is the case, it’s probably due to the lack of reserves. The admin should have done a better job keeping reserves when the economy was good. I think they passed legislation last year that automatically puts future surpluses in the reserve account. That should help with future budgets.

You could win Anne’s seat if you tried. The only candidate is Steve Brodie. You know from the last election that more than 50% of the residents don’t like him.

Andre
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM


Link to think tank study please.

Our economic performance against our peers who receive equal state treatment was poor. As soon as you step outside that economic footprint it is more difficult to grade performance.

For all I know that study could say we submit our budgets in timely manner vs our peers. That has little to do with our performance.

All things being equal I think we have a very charismatic mayor who bet the farm that this would be the run that would finally push Atlanta over the Top.

It was foolish to do so without an investment from the State.

How much of Shirley's popularity was garnered when she dropped property rates year after year? Financially speaking that was also a foolish thing to do.

Good Mayor? Bad Mayor?

She has the 20,000 Foot View. There is no "I didn't know."

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM


I implore anybody who lives in the City to watch channel 26 today and listen to citizen after citizen speak intelligently about the economic investment needed from ANY Belt Line development.

If this administration, Shirley and the Council had its way they would hire all private contracting cronies and suck every last dollar and job out of this city. Community investment has not happened and is not even on the table to happen.

Listen to the people.

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM


Here's the study. The AJC ran a little piece about it, but SP and Creative Loafing passed.

http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Reports/Philadelphia-area_grantmaking/FINAL_Budget%20Brief.pdf

Andre
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM


Andre this is what happens when you don't read AND or understand information you think you have heard.

I have extracted everything that was said about ATLANTA.

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"As far as this admin dealing with the budget issues, I would point to a recent study done by a Phila. think tank. The study showed that Atlanta is fairing better than most other major cities in dealing with budget deficits.
" - Andre


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The OPPOSITE is True. Atlanta is by far using the most drastic measures of ANY city studied. Below are the Atlanta highlights from the study


[ 1 ]====<BEGIN EXPENSE DISCUSSION>====

Page 3
"Comparing city budgets is a tricky business. Consider that New York has a budget nearly 50 times as big as that of Phoenix, even though it has only about five-and-a-half times as many residents. Why do city budgets vary so much in scale? In some places, like New York and Philadelphia, they cover the bulk of local government services, including corrections and public health. In other places, many of these services are funded by separate county budgets or handled directly by the state. Schools are part of some city budgets and not others. In addition, various cities offer different levels of services and have different demographic compositions."

Page 4
"Other cities were chosen for reasons of geographic diversity—Atlanta from the South"

Page 4
"Atlanta, Baltimore, Phoenix and Columbus have closed recreation centers. Funding for pools also has been slashed"

Page 5
"Sanitation is another area where cuts are common. In the past year, Atlanta reduced recycling from weekly to twice-monthly, and Philadelphia has eliminated leaf, bulk and tire collection. Columbus eliminated regular yard-waste collection and then reinstated it for a yearly fee."

(Atlanta is the only City cutting common waste services, that won't help our Green application)

"Public safety agencies, which account for more than half of the general fund budget in many cities, remain relatively unscathed."

"Said Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels: 'In a recession, crime goes up, we know that. It’s common sense, and it’s something we’re going to see. Many cities are cutting their departments, but … we need to continue to hire new patrol officers.'"

Page 6
"Perhaps no city has used furloughs to cut costs more than Atlanta. Since last December, the city has forced nearly all of its general fund employees—including police officers, firefighters and prison guards—to work four fewer hours every week. The resulting 10 percent reduction in pay has saved the city approximately $11.5 million. And the shift to nine-hour days, four days a week, has caused many city agencies to close on Fridays.
The furloughs come on top of deep cuts to the city’s workforce. City officials contend that the use of furloughs has allowed them to avoid cutting “into the bone” of city services."

====<END EXPENSE DISCUSSION>====[ 1 ]



[ 2 ]====<BEGIN REVENUE DISCUSSION>===

Page 7
"Only FOUR out of the 13 cities studied are considering increases to one or more major taxes"

(Of those Cities)

Columbus - 0.5% Income Tax increase
New York - 0.5% Sales Tax increase
Philly - 1% Sales Tax increase over 5 Years or .20% a year!

And coming in with the most DRASTIC shift in major taxes...

ATLANTA with a whopping 7% Property Tax to its residents

That is 14 times as much as any other PEER.
That is 14 times as much as any other PEER.
THAT IS 14 TIMES AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER PEER.

"Concern for citizens’ ability to pay higher taxes in tough times is one reason why most cities are not pursuing tax increases."

"A poll taken in April by the Philadelphia Research Initiative found that only 35 percent of those questioned were willing to pay higher taxes to maintain city services; just 29 percent of people with incomes under $30,000 voiced that opinion. In addition, the survey found that more than 80 percent of residents oppose raising the property tax,"

====<END REVENUE DISCUSSION>====[ 2 ]


CONCLUSIONS:

1. In EVERY measure that is being applied that Atlanta was mentioned Atlanta was using the MOST DRASTIC approach.

2. On the REVENUE side none of the Cities studied came anywhere close to taxing the people as much as Atlanta is

That is called breaking the back of the people. As Stephanie pointed out we only need $18 Million
to cover Public Safety. So...

3. They would have had to apply a MAJOR TAX increas, which 7% is, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T END THE FURLOUGHS

Think about that really, really hard. THIS IS YOUR SOURCE that we are doing a good job!!!!

4. Andre has no clue what is really going on and is MISINFORMING people about things that he thinks he knows.

5. Andre is causing further harm to Atlanta's situation because he is perpetuating an image of success that this City has not seen and
is not cited in this article WHAT SO EVER.



When are you going to wake up?

You don't know what you are talking about and it is an elective position cause I know you can read.



Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM


Furthermore as far as I can tell the AJC did NOT do an article on The Philadelphia Research Initiative study, however, they were the only source cited outside the Mayor's office itself.

The study released the findings on May 18th.

The only contributing author from the AJC was non other than Eric Sturgis. He is cited 6 times.

One other article from a periodical was cited. There was also a radio interview.

Do you find it the least bit odd that Eric DIDN'T do an article on a study that referenced six of his articles?

If I was a writer I'd certainly want that on my resume.

Unless what Andre?

Unless it does not add credibility to my work.

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Eric drafted this Gem in February (it is also cited):

“Budget Woes: Atlanta Braces to Cut Deeper.”


Couple quotes from that one:

“It looks like we are taking steps to cover our deficit, but it seems we keep getting further behind,” said Councilman Jim Maddox, who represents southwest Atlanta.


The latest grim news drew a sigh Wednesday from the president of the Fulton County Taxpayers Foundation, John Sherman, as he hosted a luncheon discussion in Buckhead titled “Preventing The Bankruptcy of Atlanta.” Sherman said the numbers prove his point that Atlanta should more frequently allow businesses to compete with departments to provide services, which he believes will save the city money and be more efficient.

“[The city] needs the outsourcing more than ever,” he said.

David Edwards, a policy adviser to Franklin, countered that the city has outsourced two services and is working on privatizing a third, parking enforcement. The sky is not falling, Edwards told the audience of about 50 people.

“The city is not going bankrupt,” he said. “The city is not close to bankruptcy.”

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SHIRLEY FRANKLINS POLICY ADVISOR. Surely you aren't about to tell me that she didn't know.

By the way our reserves have dropped by 82% since this article.

WE ARE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO BANKRUPTCY.


Tell me something I don't know Andre. Please.

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM


So next time you mention the study make sure you tell people that the ONLY Atlanta periodical that has any coverage on it is the SUNDAY PAPER.

Please God let something seep into ANDRE's THICK SKULL.

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM


For those of you who are unfamiliar with Eric Sturgis's work go here:

http://www.sundaypaper.com/Blogs/TheRamageReport/tabid/235/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4077/Default.aspx

Turner
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 9:22 PM


Turner, you are really losing it. Anybody can take selected comments out of a study to make their point.

The point of the study was to compare how major American cities were handling the recession. There is no right or wrong answer.

The only measure was the city's percent of shortfall to the city's total budget. Atlanta was 4th among the 12 cities that had deficits. Therefore, we are doing better than most.

You really need to get off this site and read a variety of news sources. You mind is getting twisted by the evil demons of SP.

You claim to know so much, but won't act. As I said before, enter your hat in the ring. Make the case with the voters and get elected.

I think you're scared. You like to comment on blogs, so up a public meetings and be an agitator. Why don’t you trying being part of the solution, instead of just pointing out problems.

Andre
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM


6. Andre is, without question, intentionally trying to disarm any discussion that approaches Public Safety or the Mayor.
He does not discourage talks about the incompetence of the City Council and out of character encourages participation against them. He cites stats and poll results at the drop of a hat but defends the Mayor vehemently time after time with pure rumor.


April I think you were barking up the right tree.


What do you do for a living Andre?


Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 2:27 AM


Andre, your response is a testament to the adage that:

"Figures lie, and Liars figure."

Compare shortfall to overall budget? Well, then, they wouldn't mention the steps necessary to achieve that comparison, since they viewed it as irrelevant. Yet, they did mention the steps taken, so I guess those steps were relevant.

Do you enjoy the cuts to public safety, and the discontent generated by the proposed tax increases? Is the move toward privatization, which in many instances has opened new and unseen opportunities for graft and corruption, somehow a good thing in your view?

Andre, I think you should continue to comment. It will certainly help to put pressure on the Mayor and increase her already obvious defensive stance.

Turner, very well done. It's obvious you don't work for the City Government, they discourage that kind of open-minded and clear thought process. I enjoyed reading your dissection. "This is the reference I am citing, but don't actually read it!!!" Very humorous!!! I really needed the laugh!!!

As for me, this broken retired cop will be attending the Finance Committee Meeting June 4, to see if the City Council refuses to acknowledge me the same way the Mayor has done. Maybe someone call tell me just how long it takes to get briefed in City Hall these days, because over two years seems to indicate the Furloughs have definitely effected the function of City Hall.

Sgt. Phinney, APD, Retired

Ryan
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 8:49 AM


I look forward to meeting you Sgt. Phinney.


I think if Andre revealed who he is and what capacity he has been involved in politics it would answer the question as to why he is intentionally trying to derail these conversations and discredit Stephanie at every opportunity.

I think an audit of the IP addresses that some of our 'new' posters have been posting from would also reveal quite a bit.

I'm not buying the stupid act any more.

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 10:49 AM


I didn't realize that in order to read an article/column/etc, I had to agree with what was written. As a matter of fact, isn't that the whole point of blogs? One person posts something and others give their opinion?

I agree, I'm definitely not hear for cheerleading. Maybe you are?

In your own words Turner, "turn your Fascism knob down a bit".

Andre
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM


Everyone else seems to be able to back up their opinions with facts Andre.

You back up your opinions with facts that contradict your opinion.

The paralyzed cop has more of a leg to stand on than you do.


So lets just skip all the BS and get to know one another. Full disclosure.

My Name is Turner Knapp

I have a degree in Management Science and Information Technology.

For 10 years I have designed and built Financial Forecasting and Reporting systems for major players in the Banking, Avation, Insurance, Telecommunications and Defense Contracting industries in the United States and Canada.

I am an expert in Statistics, Database design and Financial Performance Reporting and Scorecarding applications.

I currently consult in those areas and I have made my employer aware that I will be participating in political discussions using my industry knowledge for the 2010 budgeting process and Mayoral elections in Atlanta.

I have lived in Atlanta for 8 years.


So besides being a web troll Andre, what do you do?

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM


Andre Smith

42 years old. High School grad.

Real Estate Agent

Life long resident of Atlanta.

What does this prove again? Oh, that's right - nothing. Who knows who anybody is online. You're so silly.

Andre
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM


Turner - I'm not sure to which tree you are referring to but I do want to make further comment on the City's self-insured status.

The State Board of Worker's Compensation has ALLOWED the City of Atlanta to be self-insured. This is not a right the City is entitled to, but something the State grants the City as long as they abide by the Laws of Worker's Comp.

The City needs to be self-insured because they don't have a large enough budget to be insured through a third party. They must insure EVERY City employee including Police & Fire. The cops and firefighter are clearly in a high risk profession so I'm sure you can imagine the staggering premiums for them.

Because the City Administration, which obviously would include the Mayor, has so blatantly and with malice broken the law, and is now being spotlighted in the media, a State Worker's Comp judge could yank the City's self-insured status which would, in effect, bankrupt the City. This is a very REAL possibility. The judge could also fine the City tens of thousands of dollars for EACH count of their illegal actions, which will accrue every month remedy is delayed. More money down the drain.

As was mentioned in the IBPO video, these injured cops have been delayed, time and again, the opportunity to get before a State Worker's Comp judge to show the City's flagrant violation of the State Law and the deliberate pattern of abuse.

The City has spent untold amounts for attorney fees to keep them out of court so the judge doesn't see how truly willful their actions have been. The City has spent more of taxpayer money to NOT do the right thing than they would have if they'd just stepped up to the plate and given these officers what is due them under the law.

If I were given the opportunity to ask Mayor Franklin one question; it would be just that. Why have you gone out of your way to not take care of these officers?

To my knowledge most of the injured officers have hearing dates with the State Worker's Comp judge coming up soon. Sgt. Phinney has already mentioned that he has a hearing date on June 9th.

This isn't something that is going to go away anytime soon and for the sake of these broken heros it shouldn't. There is no un-doing what what Mayor Franklin & her administration have done. If she is fearful of anyone it should be the judge. Unfortunately the citizens of Atlanta might also have to pay the price.

Andre - To be clear about the ramifications. You might soon be living in a city without police protection and your home could burn down and the only one to show up will have a bag of marshmellows.

Anonymous
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 2:57 PM


This is about as tiring as Andre!!

The anonymous comment is mine!

APRIL

April
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM


Well right off the 'bat' it tells me that you are a salesman and the worst one I've ever met.

What kind of Real Estate?

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 3:04 PM


I should have said "was" a residential agent. I'm unemployed now, which explains my time to browse online.

Andre
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 3:12 PM


So the answer to my original question was actually 'nothing'.

You are a full time web troll who isn't contributing to the general fund of this city.


I'll take a Civil Servant who mouths off to his superiors once every 17 years or a crippled Cop with one good hand and 20% lung capacity over your lazy, worthless, pathetic, OBTUSE(April!), pointless ass any day of the week and twice on no alcohol Sundays.

You are a cancer web troll. How many forums have called you out like this? How many names and passwords do you have?

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM


Thanks for the complement Turner.

Sorry we don’t agree on anything. That’s why there is a majority and a minority in most things. I belong to the majority and most of the people on here belong to the minority when it come to the mayor.

Andre
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 4:13 PM


It's the minority who votes and the minority who foots the bill.

There are at least 10,000 residents and voters between ATAC, Public Safety, the Underground Entertainment Industry and local business owners.

That is 20% of the electorate and their representatives have been posting here. Who gives a shit what the majority of Metro Atlanta thinks, they don't foot the bill to run this City.

Neither do you.

There is no more hero for the mob to blindly follow. They are all going to cancel each other out in their ignorance and the organized few are going to take back this City.

Maybe we will even work our asses off to make sure people like you have the opportunity to get a job on the Belt Line rather than staying home and being web trolls.

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 4:36 PM


Its funny that transplants like you, come to our city and tell us how to succeed.

This isn’t your city. You just came here a few years ago. It’s leadership like Sam Massell, Maynard Jackson, Andy Young, and Shirley Franklin that made Atlanta the great city it is today. Instead of saying “thank you”, you and others criticize the hard work these people have put in.

Go back to where you came from and take your self righteousness with you.

Andre
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM


This a a recording from an organization I co-founded in 2006 to help bring together elements of Culture in this city that the Mayor has no idea exists.

http://www.connectatl.com/Intro.mp3

there is a whole years worth of recordings from displaced business owners and artists that have been trying to keep this city's pulse alive.

I'm sure I'm whats plaguing the city Web Troll.

What is your contribution again follower?

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 5:06 PM


Pay real close attention to the part about Composure in public forums.

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM


You're talking to me about composure? Please...

I've worked in the campaigns of all of this City's mayors for the last 20 something years. In short, I have helped elect the people who have given you a city to have a pulse, loser.

Andre
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM


Andre - FINALLY! The reason for your rabid attitude. This explains alot!

April
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM


Imagine my surprise Web Troll.


I bet Shirley would be might proud of the extra 3 years you have been campaigning for her.

Facts, smacks, it's the volume of information that is coming out of your corner that the people are gonna listen to Andre.

Ha ha, just messin with you Web Troll. You tell those pesky citizens who's boss.

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM


That pulse is in cardiac arrest! Read my earlier posting on the self-insured status. I'd love to hear your response to that situation.

April
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 5:54 PM


Well, as long as their is a call for disclosure:

I was born at Emory University Hospital. I am pretty sure that makes me a native of Atlanta. I enlisted in the US Army at 17. My MOS was 11B/11M. That's Infantry. I received the Parachutists Badge, Good Conduct Medal, Overseas Service Medal, Army Commendations Medal, and 2 Army Achievement Medals. Honorably Discharged. Hired by the Atlanta Police Department. Graduated 2nd in my class from the Academy. I have worked Zones 3, 4, and 5. Injured in the line of duty on 9-11-89. I retired on disability pension on 6-4-1991.

I didn't think much of most of the mayors you have mentioned, Andre. Maynard Jackson, in particular, was hardly a fan of Public Safety. I am sure most people living here remember the scandal in Reginald Eaves, "Police Commissioner."

You helped elect Bill Campbell? Well, thanks for that piece of work. I am assuming you helped with Shirley Franklin as well. Thanks again!

Excuse my sarcasm...

I don't think I would brag that much about those accomplishments...

Ryan
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 6:06 PM


Good lord Ryan. Serve much?

(by the way people I'm from Richmond Virginia, we were rebuilding in 1865 too)


How bout you April?

Turner
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 6:49 PM


Now we're knocking Maynard Jackson on this site? God help us. The things Maynard did to make this City great are to numbered to list.

Richmond, VA huh? Now there is a model city of progress.

Andre
Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 1:46 AM


Since apparently our worth to this city is based on how long we’ve been a part of it, I was born in Atlanta and I grew up 15 minutes outside of the city. I was raised to love and respect this city. I’m at least a 4th generation Atlanta resident. I have a psychology degree from UGA, which I worked 3 jobs at once to achieve along with help from the Hope Scholarship. I co-own a small business in Atlanta and the majority of my extended family has owned businesses in and around Atlanta. We’ve worked hard for these companies and some of them have been around for decades. My brother just got back from serving as a marine in Iraq. I am very active in my Atlanta neighborhood; I’m a member of several Atlanta based organizations. I’ve been actively involved with GA charities for over 10 years and I’ve organized numerous fundraisers in the metro Atlanta area benefiting local charities.

Now that I have my Atlanta credentials out of the way, Turner is a very good friend of mine. He is more passionate about this city than any Atlanta native I’ve ever met. You can’t blame someone for being drawn to this amazing city and wanting to become a part of it and to hold that against them is childish. In a short period of time, Turner has managed to bring much needed revenue into this city through his events at Atlanta venues. I would love to see Turner run for office. I don’t think the other candidates are prepared for a candidate PROMOTED by almost all of Atlanta’s PROMOTERS who have spent years, some decades, building up networks in person and online. I’m honored to have Turner as a part of the Atlanta community and as a part of Atlanta’s music industry. I think he spends more time looking at all the information than anyone that is getting paid to does!

When you have cops that have personally protected you and made your life safer tell you they are quitting because they can no longer afford to be a cop, you know something has to be done! These men and women risk their lives for us on a regular basis, they should be paid accordingly!

Anonymous
Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 1:58 AM


Richmond actually managed to close its books for 2008 Web Troll. (we aren't close)

Here are some of the highlights for you to ignore.

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Government-wide Financial Statements

• At the close of the fiscal year, the assets of the City exceeded its liabilities by $759.9 million. Of this amount,
$124.0 million (unrestricted net assets) may be used to meet the government’s ongoing obligations to citizens
and creditors.

• The City’s Business-type Activities closed on June 30, 2008 with $394.3 million in net assets, an increase of
$11.6 million in comparison with the prior year. A total of $78.0 million of net assets is reported as unrestricted.
The increase in Business-type Activities net assets is due to revenues exceeding expenses by $35.9 million,
offset by $24.3 million of transfers to Governmental Activities.

• As of the close of the current fiscal year, the City’s Governmental Activities reported net assets of $365.6 million,
an increase of $47.4 million. A total of $46.0 million of net assets is reported as unrestricted.

http://www.ci.richmond.va.us/departments/finance/docs/CAFR2008/CAFRPart03.pdf

Turner
Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 4:19 AM


Born in New Hampshire, Colorado, Los Angeles. Moved to Atlanta in 1990. I don't think being a native is a requirement to love this city or to be passionate about the issues we've been discussing.

Intelligence, integrity, common sense, dedication and a moral compass that points in the right direction is what is required. Unfortunately there are some in Atlanta that possess none of these characteristics. The Mayor and City Council come to mind!

April
Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM


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